2023 JULY 30 VK NATIONAL NEWS BROADCAST ON VK1WIA ------------------------------------------------------------* THE BEST NEWS YOU'LL GET ALL WEEK THIS LINK IS A VIDEO VERSION OF NEWS COMPILED BY VK5BD BEVAN tinyurl.com/WIA-News-Videos ------------------------------------------------------------* NATIONAL NEWS FOR WEEK COMMENCING JULY 30 2023 IN OUR 28th YEAR OF NON STOP NEWS THIS WEEK:- VK4EA at WRC 23 prep conference. - VK2ZRH his 2nd preview of your latest AR Magazine. - HOUSEKEEPING, when supplying club, hamfest news remember in the AUDIO ONLY edition we cannot mention special offers from sponsor clients nor advertise raffles if they can be bought on air and buyer need NOT be at event, and the old chestnut WE CANNOT MENTION SECONDHAND GOODS FOR SALE by providing phone numbers etc. INSTEAD use the WIA's online selling portal hamads.wia.org.au/ So with that and being Sunday morning, time to lay your hands on the radio, turn up the volume and settle back.. this is the WIA NEWS for week commencing July 30. PLUS MUCH MUCH MORE IN THIS EDITION OF NEWS FROM THE WIRELESS INSTITUTE OF AUSTRALIA I'M EDITOR GRAHAM VK4BB WIA JOIN THE WIA tinyurl.com/yyj87b9y Gidday and greetings from Turrabul and Jagera country, this is Peter, VK4EA, on behalf of the WIA board. I am fortunate to be part of the WIA delegation to the August WRC 23 prep conference, to be held at the Sofitel hotel in Brisbane. My employer is a good one, they provide volunteer leave, so I have taken the week off work to attend as an observer. Dales Hughes (VK1DSH) and Peter Pokorny (VK2EMR) are the WIA delegates for this prep session and the main event in November, located in Dubai, UAE. Interesting to note there is an agenda item concerning 23cms we will keep you informed while we advocate for continued access to amateur spectrum. Of particular concern to me personally, is the threat to the remainder of the nine centimetre band. As you may be aware, ZL lost all of nine centimetres, not even a small slice is available to them. I hope we can at least continue being able to use 3300 to 3399 MHz and if the push comes to shove, at least have access to a small slice at 3398MHz, we dont need much. The old saying comes to mind use it or lose it. I have the support of the board to increase the WIA digital footprint, a group of keen, technology savvy volunteers are needed to help us promote the hobby using social media platforms. Are you able to devote some time to help us create great content? If so, please get in touch via the WIA Facebook, Instagram, Twitter or that old fashioned means email me on vk4ea@wia.org.au Our insurance briefing session conducted via Teams a few months was a resounding success, at the end of the session I proposed to the attendees to have more of these briefing slash information sessions. So, club presidents, please reserve the 27th of September for a chat with the board, if you cannot attend, please nominate a delegate. More info coming later this month. Over the last few months I have been visiting clubs located in South East Queensland within a couple hours drive of my home QTH, I havent been pelted with rocks yet, thank you to those clubs I have visited so far, I appreciate you listening. I am planning on going to the Summerland Hamfest in September, if you see me in my black WIA polo, hit me up with some questions. For any clubs that have not heard from me and would like to chat please contact me via email - vk4ea@wia.org.au Happy to visit in person if not too far away or via video conference. Cheers for now, this has been Peter, VK4EA, for the WIA board. Hey, Dudes. This is Editor-in-Chief of Amateur Radio magazine, Roger Harrison VK2ZRH. About that freshly squeezed juice. I havent finished with last weeks orange yet. Moore juice. Some of you will have your print copy of the magazine already. I must remind those grumpy gents among you that prefer the digital edition your PDF is now available for download. Some members swing both ways. Print AANND PDF! Yours truly included. OK. Here comes the juice about what else is in the latest issue. If you didnt manage to attend the 2023 Annual General Meeting of the WIA, in person or by Zoom, we have an article on highlights of the AGM that I have penned around a panoply of pictures from the camera of Steve Green VK2STG. He even caught some people smiling! The AGM was the occasion for announcing various awards, among which were those for the awesome efforts of AR magazine authors. That ones a must read. Picking up on the issues theme of Promoting amateur radio and the AR clubs, theres more to what I told you last week. Keeping it topical and on-message, a golden opportunity to promote ham radio arrives every year. Its the annual Scouts and Guides Jamboree on the Air! It returns in October, along with its partner, Jamboree on the Internet. JOTA and JOTI. Richard VK2SKY has it covered on how to take advantage of the promotional opportunity. But, wait! Who remembers that the World Radio Conference arrives in September? These W-R-Cs throw up both opportunities for more privileges and threats to our existing licence conditions. Theres been a growing threat for some time from satellite interests to our 23-centimetre band, 1240-1300 MHz. We have an article from "our man in Geneva" Dale VK1DSH about the looming threat from the radio navigation satellite service RNSS is the acronym. If you have it, open your magazine or PDF and turn to page 28 and learn what Dale did in Dallas. For those that enjoy a tall tale, but true this issues WestNews column from Will VK6UU relates the story of how the VK6REX two metre repeater came to be installed atop a 387 metre tall tower in Exmouth on the West Australian mid-north coast. In the old money, 387 metres is 1,270 feet! This article comes complete with must see pictures. Dont look down! Quite a triumph. No radio amateurs were harmed in the installation of VK6REX. Speaking of triumphs, WIA Historian Peter VK3RV completes his story on the Centenary of The Trans-Pacific Tests. The hard work of a few forward-thinking innovators proved that the Pacific Ocean could be spanned by radio, and with transmitters running less than two watts! Talking of centenaries we have another article in the series celebrating 100 years of organised amateur radio in Tasmania. This time, its A brief history of WIA and local amateur group broadcasts in VK7. Its profusely illustrated with portraits of many broadcasters from over the years. Newcomers Notebook in Issue 4 covers The Ins and Outs of op-amps. Jules VK3JFP curates op-amp configurations for the curious. The ALARA column from Jenny VK3WQ sets out the details for the forty-third ALARA Contest this year, along with other news. If you applied for one of the WIA DX Awards between April and June, or youre looking to see who among your tribe got a guernsey, Marc VK3OHM has the listings. Thats not all the juice, but enough from me for now. Amateur Radio magazine, Volume 91, Issue Number 4 for 2023. More guts. Less gab. Serving Australian radio amateur dudes for 90 years. Available in print and online. Always published to a schedule, never random. No quarter given. This has been AR magazine Editor-in-Chief Roger Harrison VK2ZRH for VK1WIA News. ------------------------------------------------------------* INTERNATIONAL NEWS With thanks to IARU, RSGB, RAC, ARRL, NZART, eHam, AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINE, eHam, Radioworld.com and the World Wide sources of the WIA. WNEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE. Right around the world it seems frequencies are under pressure. For WIA News viwers and readers if you have a UK amateur license, you may want to weigh in on this issue affecting the 6 GHz band. Jeremy Boot G4NJH reporting for ARNewline explained how Ofcom is exploring a system of what it calls "hybrid sharing" of the upper portion of the 6 GHz band to accommodate both licenced mobile use and low-power licence-exempt Wi-Fi in the UK. The regulator wants to find an appropriate system that would increase capacity successfully because of industry interest in supporting an ongoing growth in traffic. Ofcom believes that because Wi-Fi routers are based indoors and mobile transmitters are mostly outdoors, hybrid-sharing mechanisms can and should be developed that allow the users to coexist. The regulator also believes there is also potential for what it calls international harmonisation of hybrid sharing on the band. Industry members or others with a stake in the use of this band can submit comments to Ofcom no later than the 15th of September. ofcom.org.uk/news-centre/2023/sharing-6-ghz-spectrum-for-wi-fi-and- mobile FCC Pirate Radio Sweeps Turn to Miami The commission is conducting enforcement sweeps of the top five radio markets where illegal broadcasts are a problem. The FCCs Enforcement Bureau has issued nine warnings to landowners and property managers in the Miami, Florida area for apparently allowing illegal broadcasting from their properties. The FCC may issue a fine upwards of $2 million if it determines that the accused parties continue to permit or engage in pirate radio activity. The commission announced an increase to its maximum fines under the PIRATE Act which became law more than three years ago and provides for much bigger penalties than in the past. The FCC has since sent letters to property owners in the second biggest city in the Sunshine State. The most recent batch of Notices of Illegal Pirate Radio Broadcasting sent on Friday, July 21, target properties identified by FCC Enforcement Bureau field agents as sources of pirate radio transmissions. These notices formally alert landowners and property managers of the illegal broadcasting activity occurring on their property and outline potential consequences. The Audio Engineering Society has published recommendations about loudness for streaming and on-demand audio. Implementing these guidelines will provide consistent loudness and appropriate playback loudness range, will reduce audio quality degradation from excessive limiting, will preserve the original artistic intent and will improve the listening experience, the organization stated. aes.org/publications/standards/search.cfm?docID=114 A computer hacker who was once on the FBI's "most-wanted" list - and who described himself as possessing the world's most expensive amateur radio license, has become a Silent Key. According to several online obituaries, by the time he was 16 years old, Kevin had already sharpened his software skills, gaining unauthorized access to computer systems. Ultimately, it was his illegal download of software from Digital Equipment Corporation in the 1980s that led to a massive manhunt, his conviction and five-year prison term. Having become a ham radio operator at the age of 13, he wished to return to the air once he was released from prison and spent more than $16,000 in legal fees to petition the FCC for a license renewal. He succeeded, saying afterward that, as a result, he possessed the most expensive amateur radio license in the world. Kevin was 59. WEIRD AND WONDERFULL CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE RADIO KIND Do you believe in Unidentified Flying Objects? Well whether you do or you don't, as long as you believe in amateur radio, you'll be interested in this weird n wonderful which comes to us via Amateur Radio NewsLine and Kent Peterson KCDGY. It's no secret that Pete Guldan KDSQJ and his fellow club members in the Midwest have been seeing flying saucers for quite some time. The flying discs hover with great tenacity on the landing page of the website for NFOO, which identifies the Minnesota group by its formal club name: Hams of Insignificant Value. Ah, but the amateurs' true worth is actually as great as the universe itself - and thanks to these hams, visitors in a nearby Wisconsin village are about to have a close encounter of the radio kind. The village of Elmwood considers itself the UFO capital of the state, based on residents' claims of having had so many sightings over the years. It is therefore not insignificant that for the first time in the festival's 44-year history, there will be sightings of amateur radio operators calling QRZ on the HF bands. They bring a message of peace: "Take me to your feedline." The club will have operators on the air with the club callsign NFOO from July 28th to the 30th. Let's face it: Having radio amateurs at a UFO festival is proof that there is indeed intelligent life on this planet. Be listening, from anywhere on earth - or even beyond. This is Kent Peterson KCDGY. -------------------------------------------------------------------* HAM RADIO OPERATIONAL NEWS - IT'S A CONTACT SPORT -------------- -------------- NOW CONTEST WISE:- -------------- -------------- The RSGB IOTA Contest is on now 29-30 July 2023 The RSGB IOTA Contest, using the Islands on the Air concept, was created in 1993. This is now a major international event, attracting thousands of participants from all over the world. Radio amateurs have travelled to islands around the globe and putting them on the air this weekend, making contacts with other islands and with those who are chasing islands. Home stations send a signal report and serial number, with stations on islands sending their IOTA reference number. A guide for newcomers to the contests is available at rsgbcc.org/hf/information/iotahelp.shtml The list of IOTA References can be found on iota-world.org/ (sarl) -------------- AUGUST 12 - 13 Remembrance Day Contest This contest commemorates the Amateurs who died during World War II and is designed to encourage friendly participation and help improve the operating skills of participants. It is held on the weekend closest to the 15th August, the date on which hostilities ceased with Japan in the southwest Pacific area. A perpetual trophy is awarded annually to the Australian state or territory with the best performance. The name of the winning State or Territory is inscribed on the trophy, and that State or Territory then holds the trophy for 12 months. The winning State or Territory is also given a certificate, as are leading entrants. (wia.org.au) -------------- Not a contest BUT this IS A reminder now that International Lighthouse and Lightship Weekend is the third weekend of August which in 2023 is 19 and 20 August. -------------- August 26 - 27 A.L.A.R.A. CONTEST Contest is always on the last FULL weekend of August. All licensed operators throughout the world are invited to participate. Scout and Girl Guide groups are encouraged to participate using their Club's equipment and callsign. YLs work everyone; OMs work YLs only. Combined phone and CW run over 24 hours: Saturday 0600 hours UTC till Sunday 0559 hours UTC All HF Bands except 160m & WARC Bands. ECHOLINK will also be accepted. (alara web site) -------------- OCTOBER - Oceania DX (OCDX) Contest Contest Dates/Times: PH - The first full weekend in October each year 0600 UTC Saturday to 0600 UTC Sunday CW - Second full weekend in October from 0600 UTC Saturday to 0600 UTC Sunday Log deadline for PH and CW logs - 31 October. Managed by the Oceania DX Contest Committee. info@oceaniadxcontest.com -------------- -------------- DX WINDOW -------------- -------------- CN, MOROCCO Michel, F5LRL is operating from near Kenitra as CN2DX until August 16, from 40 to 6 meter using CW and SSB mainly in his morning and evening. QSL CN2DX via home call which again is F 5 LRL (dxworld) -------------- TF, ICELAND Mek SP7VC and Kasia SQ7OYL will be operating as TF/SP7VC during July 27 and August 17. They are travelling by motorhome so are able to take all their needed amateur radio equipment. Theyre planning to be active on 14 MHz bands (dxworld) -------------- MYANMAR. QRV is XZ 2 B from Yangon until the end of September. Activity is on 15, 12, 10, and 6 meters using CW QSL via JH3SIF. (arrl) -------------- ------------------------------------------------------------* REPEATING> Hi all this is Nathan VK5DAD from the SCARC. Our Willunga Hill repeater VK5RSV 2m and APRS digi are back to the operational antennas after the tower works has now been completed with IRLP and ECHO link now re enabled. On the 3rd of August at 7.30pm at SCARC rooms at Seaford Meadows Scout hall Rail Way parade a tech talk by Grant VK5GR on RTTY & RTTY Contesting. VK5ARC our club call will again this year be completing in the LHLS weekend from Point Malcom and we look forward to the contacts, station number is AU 0029. 73 Nathan Grundy - VK5DAD Repeater Manager Committee Member South Coast Amateur Radio Club Inc ------------------------------------------------------------* WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS - BALLOONS w5kub-113 has now completed over 290 days of flight. That is like about 17 times around the world. Altitude is still holding the same as at launch and the flight balloon team are hoping that 113 can exceed 1 year in flight. Their w5kub-112 flew for 320 days before the transmitter died and it's thought it is still flying and passed the 1 year mark but they can't confirm that. Hopefully 113 will achieve and confirm a 1 year flight. (ARNewsLine) WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS - FINAL FRONTIER AMSAT-VK Secretary - secretary@amsat-vk.org EO-88, with its 70cm to 2m linear transponder, having spent a trouble free 6 years and 5 months in space, finally re-entered the Earths atmosphere and burned up on Tuesday, 18th July. Having originally been launched into a 500km orbit, EO-88 has reduced in altitude rapidly over the past year due to the increased level of solar activity. Remarkably, some of the last frames of telemetry were captured as the 1U CubeSat passed over the South Western United States. The final 90 seconds show a rapid rise in temperature across all the satellites sub systems. The last frame of data was captured by David WB0IZO in New Mexico at 18:18:54 UTC showing the antenna temperatures operating about 40 degrees above normal. (amsat uk) URESAT-1 is a small pocketQube 1.5P (8x5x5cm), much smaller than a CubeSat. Unfortunately this Spanish Satellite has problem with the deployment of the antennas and as such has been designated NORAD object 56992. However URESAT-1 is currently transmitting telemetry, CW, and SSTV images despite the reduced capability of the antenna system. (ans) Philippine CubeSats May-5 and Maya-6 have been deployed. The primary mission is to provide digital message relay service to the amateur radio community by means of an APRS digipeater on-board. The APRS digipeater on board the CubeSats will use 145.825 MHz for both receive and transmit. Another mission of the CubeSats is to demonstrate a data/message store-and-forward system in line with Universal Amateur Radio Text and E-mail messaging. The CubeSats also carry Commercial off-the-shelf cameras which will take images of the participating countries from space for promotional and educational awareness. A downlink on 437.375 MHz and APRS activities on 145.825 MHz have been coordinated. (ans) WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS - IOTA OC-067 Huahine Isl Didier, F6BCW is operating as FO/F6BCW from Huahine Island OC-067 until October from 160 to 6 meter using CW and SSB. QSL via home call F 6 BCW and LoTW. CROATIA. Stations 9A7YY, 9A/S53Z, 9A/S54W, 9A/S58MU, 9A/S50O and 9A/S50X are all active from Vis Island, IOTA EU-016, until August 1 on 80 to 10 meters using CW and SSB. This includes being active in the RSGB IOTA contest. QSL direct to home calls. ISLE OF MAN G3TTC plans to be QRV as GD3TTC on 40 to 10 meters using SSB also in the RSGB IOTA contest. QSL to home call, G 3 TTC. USA K3LR Super Station will host Young Hams during the RSGB IOTA Contest July 29. With more on this 'fresh from his appearance on this months AR Magazine cover is Alec VK2APC US company DX Engineering has a long history of supporting we young hams. The company recognize the importance of extending opportunities to the youngsters who represent the future of amateur radio. In the spirit of being Elmers, one of the hallmarks of this great hobby, CEO Tim Duffy, K3LR, has gotten behind many youth-oriented efforts. Youth participants Katherine, KE8LQR; Grace KE8RJU; Lilly, W8LIL; Agnes Wagner, AD8IR; and Ben Wagner, AD8FQ will be operating on July 29 from the K3LR superstation in western Pennsylvania during the 2023 RSGB IOTA Contest, which runs from July 29, 1200Z to July 30, 1200Z. The group will be using the W3Y special callsign. Prior to arriving, participants and parents will be treated to lunch and a tour of DX Engineering headquarters in Ohio. The adventure is also being sponsored by Dayton Amateur Radio Association. Giving y0ung amateur radio enthusiasts the chance to operate from a well-equipped, powerful station can be a life-changing experience, says Tim, K3LR. Weve hosted some truly talented youngsters at K3LR, and its always amazing to watch them work with such skill and poise. I look forward to seeing what island groups W3Y will be putting in their logbooks on July 29. WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS --- RESCUE RADIO IARU REGION 3 Emergency Centre of Activity (CoA) frequencies 3.600, 7.110, 14.300, 18.160 and 21.360 MHz Region 1 3760 7110 14300 18160 21360 kHz Region 2 3750 3985 7060 7240 7275 14300 18160 21360kHz We'll give you the 'scrub' of this story in Rescue Radio but it may have been better under MARITIME . As we know, it's the winner of the great race that gets the glory, but volunteers make sure they know how every bath-tubber is faring, at all times. The Loyal Nanaimo Bathtub Society, this year, is saluting the contributions that the Nanaimo Amateur Radio Association has made to the event over the years in keeping bath tubbers accounted for and safe when out on the water. Well before the racers head out into the harbour to start the Great International World Championship Bathtub Race today, Sunday July 23, NARA volunteers will have set up checkpoints on land at Berry Point on Gabriola Island, on the Winchelsea Islands, and at Neck Point, and will be at bathtub control on the 11th floor of the Coast Bastion Hotel. They will also have volunteers at the Boat Ramps to track tubbers who don't make it all the way around the course. (eHam) ------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------------------------------------* 2023 Social Scene Clubs are welcome to submit text with audio for this section Details of all WIA affiliated clubs and societies can be found on the WIA website, including email addresses and website links. VK6 - Northern Corridor Radio Group HamFest 20th August. VK4 - Redcliffe Club CarBoot Sale Saturday 26th August at club house Kippa Ring (vk4tfn) VK4 - SUNFEST SEPTEMBER 9 (vk4an) At Mountain Creek State Schools massive air conditioned auditorium, just off the Sunshine Motor Way. Mountain Creek is tucked in to the west of Mooloolaba VK2 - SARCFEST 8am Saturday 23 September (vk2acd) VK - ALARAMeet2023 4/5 November in HOBART (luther8@bigpond.com) This is Linda VK7QP, coordinator of ALARAmeet Hobart which will be held 3-6 November 2023 Registrations close on 26 July, so that we know who is coming and we can finalise our bookings. The registration form is on the ALARA website ALARA alara.org.au Looking forward to meeting old friends and seeing for the first time those I have only spoken to on the air. Make sure you register by 26 July. Linda VK7QP VK3 - Rosebud RadioFest at Eastbourne Primary School Sunday, November 12 (vk3pdg) VK5 - Amateur Radio Experimenters Group Radio & Electronics Sale November 26 (vk5qi) --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2024 IT'S A DATE Clubs are welcome to submit text with audio for this section Details of all WIA affiliated clubs and societies can be found on the WIA website, including email addresses and website links. VK - WIA AGM MAY 4 5 - BUNDABERG. (vk2tsg) VK - National Volunteer Week Monday 20 Sunday 26 May 2024. National Volunteer Week (NVW) is Australias largest annual celebration of volunteers and their important contribution to our communities. 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