Mar 10 2019 - VK NATIONAL NEWS BROADCAST ON VK1WIA ---------------------------------------------------------------------* THE BEST NEWS YOU'LL GET ALL WEEK Oh... and to contact us with your news because If It Matters To You It Matters To Us! Email nationalnews@wia.org.au http://www.wia.org.au click news in member area & submit your audio TWITTER http://twitter.com/VK1WIA Please... If you are only submitting text and not audio, NEVER send just links & url's but write your story as you would expect to hear it being read back and then when you upload audio also email us the txt version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------* NATIONAL NEWS FOR WEEK COMMENCING Mar 10 2019 IN OUR 24th YEAR OF NON STOP NEWS WIA Position on outcomes of the Approach to Market for Examination Services. THIS & MORE IN THIS EDITION OF NEWS FROM THE WIRELESS INSTITUTE OF AUSTRALIA 2019 AND FOR WEEK OF MARCH 10 2019 WIA WIA Position on outcomes of the Approach to Market for Examination Services. In a letter from the President of the WIA on behalf of the WIA board a detailed look at the pricing of the new examinations is analysed. As a result of the negotiations between the AMC bid team and ACMA procurement we see it has resulted in the “headline” entry price to the hobby of Amateur Radio rising: $75 to $115 (Foundation Assessment, Practical Assessment & Callsign Recommendation) for adults - an increase of over 140%, (WIA’s proposal was $49) $40 to $115 (Foundation Assessment, Practical Assessment & Callsign Recommendation) for youth - an astonishing 285% increase. (WIA’s proposal was $27) The WIA board and the Education Group is horrified by the existential risk that this creates for the hobby of Amateur Radio, especially given the widespread community support (at both a local and international level) for attracting younger participants to the hobby. The only rational conclusion the WIA can draw is that the AMC, parties to the AMC bid and those involved in the ACMA procurement process have weighted political, commercial and personal factors ahead of their customers’, the community and the hobby of Amateur Radio. The WIA, as the only Amateur Radio organisation that is demonstrably committed to furthering the hobby, remains committed to resolving this situation for the benefit of members and the community they represent. Full 'unabridged' story on this link:- https://www.wia.org.au/newsevents/news/2019/20190304-1/documents/WIA-Information-Update-20190304.pdf DISCUSSION POINT Hello, I’m Geoff Emery, VK4ZPP, and I’ve been thinking. “What do you do to mend a broken heart?” might be a good song title but not usually associated with amateur radio but i couldn’t find a simple reference for a DXer’s lament when the sunspot number is zero. If you hadn’t heard, we have just been through a week with no sunspots and when I think back to previous nulls in the cycle there used to be something like the lamentations of the Old Testament prophet, Job. These days, if you have a Standard grade or Advanced licence, a few milliwatts can see your signals being received and reported from amazingly distant places. Yes there are those who decry the fact the signals are digital and depend on some really cute computer processing but really, amateur radio is about experimentation and advancement of the technology of radio communications. The same sorts of complaints were levelled at using internet linking or wormholes for packet radio linking some two decades ago. The complaints remain the same as the processes advance, it seems. Of course, one of the other activities is rag chewing and much of this is conveniently conducted online, these days. With the debacle that the ACMA has created in the change of service provider for exams many a mind has been focussed on issues relative to the improvement of the service delivery and regulation of our hobby. Naturally, with the delays and the drip feeding of information and costings, discussions are turning to alternatives and I have spoken of this previously. Recently it seems that some of the polarised rancour has left the discussions and people with good will are discussing ideas rather than debating ideas of polarised and binary disinformation. Surely this bodes well for the growth and advancement of this exciting and stimulating pursuit? Certainly, in any situation there can be a place for the eccentric, the left field idea, the devil’s advocate to break the narrow focus, the mental set and get people to think, as they say, outside the box. Here’s hoping that some of this down time provides some solutions which we can take into the future and that the stimulation of respectful discussion launches a new era for VK-land amateur radio. I’m Geoff Emery and that’s what I think....how about you? ---------------------------------------------------------------------* INTERNATIONAL NEWS With thanks to IARU, RSGB, SARL, Southgate AR Club, ARRL, RAC, NZART AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINE & the World Wide sources of the WIA. NEW ZEALAND Auction of AM & FM sound broadcasting spectrum licences One AM and four FM sound broadcasting spectrum licences will be auctioned with the licences sold on the Trade Me website. The auction starts on 3 April and will run for seven days until 10 April. The term of the licences are valid until 2 April 2031 provided the successful party meets the implementation criteria. BRUNEI V 84 SAA DXpedition was Front-Page News in Brunei The DXpedition February 6 - 18 received a great deal of positive attention in Brunei -- a tiny nation surrounded by Malaysia on the South China Sea. The arrival of the DXpedition team not only merited coverage on the local evening newscast, but a front-page newspaper article. According to the article, the DXpedition aimed "to increase cooperation among Amateur Radio operators besides instilling the spirit of teamwork and fostering close ties. The expedition also serves to help promote the country's uniqueness and natural heritage through Amateur Radio." "We were a large international team, and we were blessed with fantastic local support from Tamat Lampoh, V 8 5TL, and the local Brunei Darussalem Amateur Radio Association," V84SAA team member Jeff Briggs, K1ZM/VY2ZM told ARRL. "They were wonderful hosts." THAILAND 55th Anniversary of RAST The Radio Amateur Society of Thailand (RAST) celebrated its 55th Anniversary March 2, 2019 with a day-long event attended by almost 500 members and guests The gathering at the resort in Pathum Thani Province just to the north of Bangkok included a total of 55 (YES fifty five) radio transceivers among the prizes that were won. An amateur radio station with HF antennas had been set up on a field at the resort and the station operated using the callsign HS 55 RAST. Read the full RAST report at https://qsl.net/rast/ VIENNA Don Beattie G3BJ has submitted a paper on the threat posed by Wireless Power Transmission (WPT) for discussion at the IARU Region 1 Interim Meeting in Vienna, April 27-28 The paper warns: "Given the planned density of WPT-Electric Vehicle systems, there will be a widespread and serious impact on radio communications operating in the vicinity should spurious emissions, measured at 10m be at the limits set in ITU-R SM329-12)." Download VIE19 C7-005 Wireless Power Transmission – an Overview https://vienna.iaru-r1.org/conference-documents/c7/ GERMANY On March 2-3, radio amateurs promoted our hobby at 'MakeMunich', a major trade fair for the Makers and Do-It-Yourself scene in the Bavarian state capital At the 5th event of this kind, more than 10,000 technology-savvy, environmentally conscious, creative and innovation-minded visitors from all over Germany and neighbouring countries in addition to 150 exhibitors were in attendance. Still in Munich 70th Anniversary of FM in Europe According to an article in German publication Reflexion, wireless marked 70 years of the first FM transmitter to go into service and on air in Europe. The transmitter to which this accolade belongs is in Munich. München Freimann officially started service on the afternoon of 28 February 1949 just ahead of a VHF FM transmitter in Hamburg which came on air the following day. CANADA "RF Seismograph" May Be Real Seismograph Alex Schwarz, VE 7 DXW, in British Columbia, Canada, is exploring the possibility that "RF signatures" detected by the RF Seismograph propagation tool could also be indicating earthquakes, and may even be able to predict them shortly before they occur. A real-time HF propagation-monitoring tool developed by Schwarz and the MDSR team, the RF Seismograph shows both band noise and activity or band activity alone on six HF bands. It's a project of the North Shore Amateur Radio Club. A month without sunspots The sun has just passed an entire calendar month with no sunspots. The last time this happened, in August 2008, the sun was in the nadir of a century-class Solar Minimum. The current stretch of blank suns shows that Solar Minimum has returned, and it could be as deep as the last one. Visit Spaceweather.com for more information and current sunspot counts. --------------------------------------------------------------------* HAM RADIO OPERATIONAL NEWS - IT'S A CONTACT SPORT All major Australian contests, rules and results, are on the Contest Section of the WIA website. wia.org.au/members/contests/about 2019 Commonwealth Contest this weekend, 9-10 March The Commonwealth Contest, RSGB's longest-running contest, takes place for 24 hours 9th and 10th. Sydney’s Amateur Radio Ferry Contest - THIS Sunday March 10 (VK2GZ) This is the Fourth annual Sydney Amateur Radio Ferry Contest on Sydney Harbour from 10:00 to 16:00 local time. This is a special year for the Waverley Club in which they celebrate their centenary. Participants will be able to work their special event callsign! (BUT in the press release we got that call sign must have been written in 'invisible ink'.. so keep your ears open!) This unique contest aims to gather hams to Sydney Harbour and invite them to make VHF/UHF contacts from any of the system’s ferries and wharves. Operation is restricted to hand-held radios (any mode) and can include repeater, simplex or even an “eyeball” contact. The event is being run by the Waverley Amateur Radio Society (VK2BV) who will be running a club station at Rose Bay Ferry Wharf for the duration of the contest. (sourced to crarc news) St Patrick Award Stations taking part in the St Patrick Award will be on the air from noon on the 16th of March to noon on the 18th of March. This year a new Digital Award has been added, covering such modes as FT8, DMR, D-Star, JT656 and EchoLink etc. To claim it you must have made 20 contacts with a registered St Patricks Day Station. For more information go to https://stpatrickaward.webs.com/. W.I.A. John Moyle Memorial Field Day 16-17 March 2019 (vk4ae) CQ World Wide WPX SSB Contest over the March 30 - 31 weekend. 20th Harry Angel Memorial Sprint May 4 Trans-Tasman Low-Band Contest July 20 VK Remembrance Day Contest is August 17-18 -------------- Doug VK4ADC sent us a reminder that according to the VKLogger Forum under the topic "Chat and Logger display / END OF LIFE" dated 16th December 2018, there are only a few weeks left before the stated cessation date of 25th March 2019. VKLogger Forum itself is continuing after that date. Development of replacement Chat and Spotting code is reported to be in process but may, or may not, be ready by the 25th March. Generic chatrooms for general discussion, plus VHF and above, have been created as an add-on to the Australian Ham Radio Discussion Forum on the AHRDF.NET web site as an alternative chat facility. These chatrooms do not have the Spots function of VKLogger but can be used by amateurs for coordination and general discussion. Registration for the Chat facility is quick and easy and access is via your browser at ahrdf.net/chat That web address again is A H R D F dot NET slash CHAT while the related Forum is at A H R D F dot NET Amateur radio operators worldwide are invited to join and use either facility. THRU THE DX WINDOW But first, --- , those interested in DXing and Contesting will be interested to hear that the official documentary film about how W.R.T.C.2018 came about has been released. It gives an insight into the organisation and management work and of course coverage of the actual event along with opening and closing ceremonies and can now be watched at the link in this week’s text edition of news from your WIA. tinyurl.com/WRTC2018-film. (ARNEWSLINE) Kazu, will be on the air as MJ 0 CFW from Jersey between the 15th and 17th of March and especially during the Russian DX Contest on the 16th and 17th of March. In that contest, listen for him using the call sign MJ 5 Z. QSL via M 0 CFW Andre ON7YK is active from his station in Gambia using the callsign C 5 YK. He will be there until early March 2019. QSL to his home call ON7YK Active is 3 W 9 JF from the island of Phu Quoc, (said Foo Kwok) AS-128, to the 6th of March. Mainly on 80, 40, 20 and 17m bands. QSL via eQSL or direct to EA 5 GL. (rsgb) Roland F 8 EN is back in Gabon until mid-March. He is using his TR8CR callsign on 40 – 17m on CW and SSB. QSL manager is F6AJA. (irts) Members of Radio Club F 6 KMB will be active as TM 6 C until 24 of March during the traditional Dunkirk Carnival. QSL via F 6 KMB. (rsgb) SENEGAL Willy, ON 4 AVT, is on the air as 6 W 7/ON4AVT from Senegal, till March 30th, operating on 40/20/10 meters using CW, SSB, PSK31 and PSK63. He is possibly on 60 meters as well. QSL via his home callsign, ON4AVT (ARNewsLine) BRAZIL ZW 85 LABRE celebrates 85th anniversary of the League of Brazilian Amateur Radio Transmitters. LABRE, has obtained the special event callsign ZW85LABRE which is valid until March 31, 2019 The Liga de Amadores Brasileiros de Rádio Emissão (LABRE) was founded February 2, 1934. (SouthGate) CANARY ISLANDS, EA8. Erich, HB9FIH is QRV as EA8/HB9FIH from El Hierro, IOTA AF-004, until the end of March. Activity is on the HF bands using:- CW, SSB, and various digital modes. QSL to HB 9 FIH (SouthGate) HS 55 RAST is active until the 31st of March in celebration of the 55th anniversary of the Radio Amateur Society of Thailand. QSL via H S5 NMF. (RSGB) SRI LANKA, 4S. Peter, DC 0 KK is QRV as 4 S 7 KKG from Moragalla, IOTA AS-003, until April 1, 2019. Activity is on the HF bands using mainly CW and various digital modes. In South Sudan, Diya, YI 1 DZ, is active for the next six months as Z 8 1D. He will be on 80 through 10 meters using SSB and some Digital modes. QSL via OM 3 JW. He will also use ClubLog and LoTW. DF13, German special event Look for special event stations with Prefix's DF13 to be active until June 30th, 2019. This to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the maiden flight of the Junkers F-13, The first all-metal built airplane, was introduced to civil aviation and is the mother of all commercial aircraft. All QSOs will be automatically confirmed after July 15th, 2019, with a QSL card via Bureau. If you do not need a QSL card, let them know. Send direct QSLs via DM2TO -- shipping starting after August 1st, 2019. For more details and info on awards, see QRZ.com Panama special event Look for special event callsign H 31 A to be active until August 15 to commemorate 500th anniversary of the foundation of Panama City. Activity will be on most HF bands using SSB and the Digital modes (RTTY, PSK31 and FT8). QSL manager is HP 1 AVS (SouthGate) Anniversary of the Federal Republic of Germany Look for special event stations DM 70 GER and DL 70 BRD now active until December 31st, 2019 to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the Federal Republic of Germany which was established on May 23rd, 1949. Operations will be on CW and SSB. (SouthGate) Celebrating its 50th anniversary, Sweden's National Society for the Active Visually Impaired is active as SF 50 CG throughout 2019. QSL via SM 0 BYD. (RSGB) Special call EI 19 RE active for 2019 The special call sign EI 19 RE will be active for the duration of 2019 to commemorate the establishment of the first Irish parliament. It first met in January of 1919 following a landslide victory for Irish nationalists in December 1918. https://ei7gl.blogspot.com/2019/01/special-call-ei19re-active-for-2019.html (SouthGate) Scouting’s Gilwell Park is being honoured through 2019 with GB 100 GP. (vk6pop) In the World of DX, amateurs in Turkey are using the special call sign TC 10 GITRAD to mark the 10th anniversary of the radio group G.I.T.R.A.D. They are on the air all year through the 31st of December. No cards are required. However, if you need a paper QSL card please mail yours directly to TA 7 AZC and include a stamped self-addressed envelope and money for postage. ---------------------------------------------------------------------* WORLD WIDE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP NEWS WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS --- ARDF WIA ARDF COORDINATOR VK3WWW Jack vk3www@wia.org.au http://users.mackay.net.au/~ron/ http://www.homingin.com http://www.ardf.org.au Tony 4 Radio Direction Finding Fun happening in Townsville If you are in the vicinity of the Townsville Region on Saturday June 22nd from 1pm and want to get involved in a Foxhunt, or radio socialise in a nice part of Townsville then Tony VK 4 TJS wants to hear from you. You have until Thursday 20th June to get your attendance numbers in for the Foxhunt. There will be activities for all family members to participate in during the Foxhunt and things will end up with some in flight catering. To cater for the event Tony needs to know your attendance numbers and you need to quiz Tony further regarding details about the Foxhunt. Who do you have to call? Tony VK4TJS of course, on 47677137 (theTARCinc-3FFF) WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS - FEMALES IN RADIO. Krystyna 2 E 0 KSH BYLARA Publicity Officer says they have just produced its first all colour 'Bulletin', coming out each month throughout its 40th Ruby Anniversary Year and beyond... https://www.facebook.com/pg/bylara/photos/?tab=album&album_id=766041163777096 (Southgate) WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS - FINAL FRONTIER Virginia CubeSat Constellation Moves Forward A project built by a team of University of Virginia engineering students took step toward outer space this week when they and student colleagues from Old Dominion University and Virginia Tech delivered three CubeSats to NanoRacks, an aerospace company in Houston. NanoRocks will integrate the CubeSats into a deployer aboard a rocket set for launch next month to the International Space Station. The satellites are part of the Virginia CubeSat Constellation mission, a collaborative project of the Virginia Space Grant Consortium and its four member universities (which also includes Hampton University). The three nano-satellites, each carrying a UHF packet repeater for amateur use, were developed by engineering students to obtain measurements of the properties of the Earth’s atmosphere to quantify atmospheric den- sity. Full article available at: https://tinyurl.com/y3u7skkl [ANS] WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP NEWS - LOWDOWN Fishnet Beacons Shout Out Nick VK2DX has just posted to the 600m group a reminder about the fishnet beacons down low between 1,700 KHz and 2,900 KHz. These are devices that fishermen leave floating near their nets to enable them to locate and retrieve their nets. The call has gone out for reports about these devices off the coasts of Australia and New Zealand. He is looking for reports for a night or two listening for these beacons. The fishnet page has the frequencies and identifiers. An SDR receiver makes this task super easy. http://genesisradio.com.au/VK2DX/fishnet.html https://www.wia.org.au/newsevents/news/2019/20190225-4/index.php (vk7arnews) Use of 1850-1900 KHz in Iceland The Icelandic national society, IRA, reports authorization has been received to use 1850-1900 kHz in international radio amateur competitions during 2019 A Google translation of the IRA post reads: ÍRA received confirmation from the Post and Telecom Administration February 22, 2019, on authorization to use the frequency range 1850 - 1900 kHz for participation in international radio amateur competitions during the calendar year 2019. The authorization is granted with full approval of the Maritime Traffic Service, which is authorized to use several frequencies in this frequency range. The same requirements apply to this use as apply to the frequency range 1810-1850 kHz in a regulation, but the increased conditions for the Post and Telecom Administration are as follows: (a) The authorization is only granted during the period specified by international radio amateurs competitions; (b) G licensees are authorized to use full power, 1kW. N licensees enjoy the same frequency rights, but power limit is at most 10W. (SouthGate) WW SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS --- QRP and WEAK SIGNAL COMMUNICATION 2.5 milliwatt OPERA signal via Es'hail-2 Markus, DF 6 N M successfully used the digital mode OPERA to send a 2.5 milliwatt signal through the 2.4 to 10 GHz amateur radio transponder on the Es'hail-2 / QO-100 geostationary satellite According to Graham G0NBD writing about the contact on Digital Radio Groupsio. DF 6 N M Markus started using 250 milliwatts of OPERA on 2.4 GHz into a 60 cm dish pointing at Es'hail-2. The downlink signal was received via the AMSAT-UK and BATC 10 GHz WebSDR at Goonhilly in Cornwall by Peter Knol PA 1 SDB. Markus then reduced power to just 2.5 milliwatts and the signal was still receivable. https://digitalradio.groups.io/g/main/message/50861 (SouthGate) SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS --- SUMMITS ON THE AIR www.sotawatch.org www.sota.org.uk History has been made on an Argentinian summit and courtesy of Amateur Radio Newsline Durrant DD5LP has been following that story. The highest peak in the SOTA - Summits on the Air - awards scheme, at the current time, is Aconcagua at 6,962m ASL, which has reference LUM/PH-001, in the relatively new Argentina (Mendoza) SOTA association. This summit was activated for the first time ever on the 16th of February 2019 by Tom Rudzinski SQ9FVE, operating as LU/SQ9FVE. Tom is an experienced and skilled mountaineer, as required for such an undertaking. He planned the expedition carefully including all necessary support. The climb to the summit began 13 days before the actual activation and included several stage camps and acclimatisation strategies. The actual activation comprised five QSOs on 2 metre FM, all with Argentinian chasers located around 90km away. In his post on the SOTA reflector Tom thanks all of his helpers especially the local Argentinian Hams. (Ed Durrant DD5LP via ARNewsLine) ---------------------------------------------------------------------* REWIND Bakelite Patent Awarded 100 Years Ago Radio amateurs of a certain age are more familiar than most newcomers with the trade name Bakelite, which derives its name from its inventor Leo Baekeland, who developed Bakelite phenolic resin, the first thermosetting plastic, in 1907. His process patent for making insoluble products of phenol and formaldehyde -- the components of Bakelite -- was filed that year, and Baekeland was awarded a patent a century ago come this December. Bakelite found a place in numerous technologies, including early ham gear and radios, widely employed as an insulating material. Once a Bakelite product is formed, it will not change shape or melt under heat. In compression moulding, the resin is generally combined with fillers such as wood or asbestos before it's pressed into the ultimate product shape. Valve or 'tube' sockets often were constructed using Bakelite. Ahh... that unmistakeable smell of 'burning Bakelite' when you held the 'scope soldering iron' on a socket lug 'too long.' (arrl) 2019 Social Scene VK7 - Meet the Voice event at Ross March 23-24 (vk7news) VK4 - Redfest 2019 April 13 (vk4tfn) Greetings from the Redcliffe and Districts Radio Club, here in South East Queensland. Robert Thomson VK4TFN here. Announcing an important update to REDFEST 2019, to be held at The St. Michael's College, on the Bribie Island Road, on Saturday 13th April. The date for booking tables has been brought forward. Vendors can book theirs tables starting now. For table bookings email: redfest@redclifferadioclub.org.au Don't forget the raffle, we'll sell tickets at the gate on the day. At 10:30AM we'll draw the raffle, for a UHF Digital Mobile Radio transceiver. TYT model MD-380 value $130.00 Of course: To win it, you must be in it. And to be in it, you must be at REDFEST 2019 on Saturday the13th April. For more details please go to: tripple "w" dot redcliffe radio club dot org dot au You can also find us on Facebook. Bye and 73 VK6 - HARGfest April 14 (vk6zms) VK5 - BRL Radio Group Annual Gathering, Overland Corner, S.A April 6 (vk5la) VK3 - Moorabbin & District Radio Club HamFest 2019 Saturday 11th May. VK 2019 WIA Annual Conference Sydney weekend 24-26 of May. (wia) https://www.wia.org.au/joinwia/wia/2019agm/ VK5 - South East Radio Group 2019 Annual Convention and Australian Fox Hunting Championships 8-9 June (vk5hcf) VK3 - GippsTech 2019 13'14 July (vk3pf) VK3 - Yarra Valley Amateur Group HamFest, 13th October (vk3cnw) VK3 - Ballarat Amateur Radio Group, BARG Hamvention Oct 27 (vk3kqt) 2020 Social Scene ALARAMEET 2020 Bendigo (vk5yl) October 2020 in Bendigo Victoria. Heidi VK3FHID and Jenny VK3WQ are leading the team who are planning an eventful weekend. This team is meeting regularly and are looking forward to seeing you in Bendigo. Submitting news items If you would like to submit news items for possible inclusion in the VK1WIA broadcasts, please email your item in text to nationalnews@wia.org.au and don't JUST send url's links or posters, but take the time to pen YOUR contribution. 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